Posts by Christ Alone

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How would you answer? Part 1

by problemaddict in

so in my limited quest on here and elsewhere, i am intrigued by the kind of canned responses that come from conversations with my friends and family about "my doubts".

these are of course conversation i usually should not have had in the mind state i was in, or in any state right leaving wt?.

anyways, i wanted to throw out here some of the common things espoused, and see what you all thought was a fair and even handed response.

Christ Alone

Even when God DID use an organization (the Israellites), it was not wrong to disagree and teach truth. Jeremiah spoke against the organization of his day and was effectively df'd for it.

What organization did Noah belong to? It was just a family arrangement. What about Abraham? Joseph? Jacob?

God dealt the families and individuals except with the nation of Israel. When Jesus included the gentiles in that "group", there was no NEW organization established. See how God established Israel? Didn't happen again in the early church. There were people that continually questioned what was being taught. The Boreans are a great example. They wouldn't even accept the apostles teaching unless they were convinced from scripture.

Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. (Act 17:10-11 NKJV)

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How many exBethelites?

by Christ Alone in

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friends

i'd just like to see who here has served at bethel, including myself.

this may be useful for those that have specific questions about bethel, but don't know who of us actually served there.

could we hear from those that served at bethel and where you served?

Christ Alone

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How many exBethelites?

by Christ Alone in

jw
friends

i'd just like to see who here has served at bethel, including myself.

this may be useful for those that have specific questions about bethel, but don't know who of us actually served there.

could we hear from those that served at bethel and where you served?

Christ Alone

Wow...nice job with the list, blinders! Any new ones that have joined recently?

Has anyone heard of a CURRENT bethelite posting here?

edit *uh oh....the list disappeared...

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How would you answer? Part 1

by problemaddict in

so in my limited quest on here and elsewhere, i am intrigued by the kind of canned responses that come from conversations with my friends and family about "my doubts".

these are of course conversation i usually should not have had in the mind state i was in, or in any state right leaving wt?.

anyways, i wanted to throw out here some of the common things espoused, and see what you all thought was a fair and even handed response.

Christ Alone

For your #1 question, this speech by David Reed really helped me: http://womensministry.info/audio/teaching/david_reed_gods_org.mp3

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?? Is ex-Bethelite Bill Sentnuer (sp) on this site ?

by Balaamsass in

just curious, an elderly elder in sacramento was speaking fondly of his bethel buddy bill setnuer (sp) last year.

isn't bill a famous ex jw ?.

any info?.

Christ Alone

Just as a side note, some of the comments made on the talk show are not 100% accurate. Bill and Joan mostly make accurate statements, but some comments from the others are a bit "out there" and a bit "Rick Fearon-ish"

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How many exBethelites?

by Christ Alone in

jw
friends

i'd just like to see who here has served at bethel, including myself.

this may be useful for those that have specific questions about bethel, but don't know who of us actually served there.

could we hear from those that served at bethel and where you served?

Christ Alone

I'd just like to see who here has served at bethel, including myself. This may be useful for those that have specific questions about bethel, but don't know who of us actually served there. Could we hear from those that served at Bethel and where you served?

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?? Is ex-Bethelite Bill Sentnuer (sp) on this site ?

by Balaamsass in

just curious, an elderly elder in sacramento was speaking fondly of his bethel buddy bill setnuer (sp) last year.

isn't bill a famous ex jw ?.

any info?.

Christ Alone

I'd like to know what this guy said of Bill, Balaamsass! Bill is one of the most famous pre-Franz apostates. Talking fondly about him would be very...untheocratic.

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?? Is ex-Bethelite Bill Sentnuer (sp) on this site ?

by Balaamsass in

just curious, an elderly elder in sacramento was speaking fondly of his bethel buddy bill setnuer (sp) last year.

isn't bill a famous ex jw ?.

any info?.

Christ Alone

Bill Cetnar died. But his legacy lives on. Youtube him or look up some audio. He gave some FANTASTIC talks about how the WT is a false prophet according to scripture.

Here are a couple links to his talks:

http://mmoutreach.org/audio/jw/bill_cetnar_1.mp3

http://mmoutreach.org/audio/jw/bill_cetnar_2.mp3

http://mmoutreach.org/audio/jw/bill_cetnar_3.mp3

http://mmoutreach.org/audio/jw/bill_cetnar_4_wt_answers.mp3

And here are a couple parts (of 9) his appearance on a talk show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB46QpRzHu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5-9V2y6Jt0

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Is The Book of Revelation All About Me & My Generation?

by ClubSandwich in

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friends

jws believe the book of revelation offers an account of what is to come in their lifetime.

but the problem is that every generation for the last 1900 years has thought the same thing.

and, every generation has been wrong, even though each new one thinks it will be about me and my generation this time.. most reputable bible scholars believe that revelation, also called the apocalypse of john, was not written to describe the future for people living today.

Christ Alone

Club, I am. I've only read a few of them so far. But I've read ABOUT most of them. As far as Christian apocalypse writings go, there is a lesser known book called the Apocalypse of Paul.

The writings you speak of are Jewish in origin, or at least claim to be, though they may have been written later. Off the top of my head I know there is the apocalypse of Adam, the assumption of Moses, the Apocalypse of Baruch, 4th Esdras, book of Henoch, and the Apocalypse of Abraham.

As far as the Apocalypse of Adam, it was written in Coptic, and no one believed it to really be written by Adam. Some believe it is a Christian-Gnostic book, while I think it more likely to be pre-Christian. It seems unlikely that whoever wrote it would incorporated Christian ideas, but then eliminated any reference to Jesus, or any other NT figures. There are plenty of pre-Christian myths that the writer could have been drawing from, and it would not necessitate having a date AFTER Jesus.

Again, after merely reading through all of these, I can see why they were not included. That is even without extra scholarship to say why. They do not fit in with the rest of the books, at least to me. And they divert from what Christianity in the Bible teaches.

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Is The Book of Revelation All About Me & My Generation?

by ClubSandwich in

jw
friends

jws believe the book of revelation offers an account of what is to come in their lifetime.

but the problem is that every generation for the last 1900 years has thought the same thing.

and, every generation has been wrong, even though each new one thinks it will be about me and my generation this time.. most reputable bible scholars believe that revelation, also called the apocalypse of john, was not written to describe the future for people living today.

Christ Alone

Club Sandwhich, it's interesting that you comment about that since what initially bothered Russell was "hell". The apocalypse of Peter is all about hell...so you may be right. There never would've been JWs. Of course, Christianity as a whole would have been completely different as well.